Madhatter wrote:
You know I've always wondered about this, why is O2 data not able to be fed directly to an ECU? makes no sense to me, it's just a signal. But as you've noticed there is always some 'box' needed - why???
The WB needs a different driver than the NB; since these drivers are not installed in production ECU's, the use of a WB requires and external driver box. The box also includes the logic to deliver a 0-5V lambda output and a 0-1V NB "spoof" output that can go to a production ECU's NB input.
The NB sensors basically just require a 0.5V constant voltage source.
Madhatter wrote:
10Hz... man that's slooooooooooooooow nearly useless, I'd say they know that and hence the massive gap to 200Hz and that O2 sensors on avg are 300milliseconds in response which is .......... 200Hz
I think you've been in the skunk works too long
I can't imagine anything on a car that actually needs 200Hz data. 10Hz can capture momentary wheel spin events.
300ms is 3.3 Hz, but I thought O2's were quicker than that... is that the right number of zeros?
Madhatter wrote:
Unless Motec is feeding additional data or an carrier signal into the ECU with their box I don't see why any convertor wouldn't work. 'course that requires knowing what the box is looking for... shouldn't be to hard with a night or two of google searching the deepweb
MoTeC uses their own CAN specification for the O2 boxes to talk to the ECU... so you end up doing a lot of bus sniffing to reverse engineer the packet spec. Since you have to buy a controller to do that... it's a better use of time just to buy two controllers and move forward.
Madhatter wrote:
looking over some of the data on the D585 coils, shows that at about ~4ms of dwell it'll pull ~10Amps, so your looking at ~120Amps peak for the coils. Of course as dwell drops so does the draw.. If you've noticed a lot of V12's up to the 90's ran 2 alternators.
That current number doesn't sound right... also, didn't Testarossas use distributors?
Madhatter wrote:
coils will draw the most wherever the dwell time is longest, either bench testing or the data points provided by the mfg can give you the relevant amp draw to dwell time. From what I've seen on the vids from the bench testing the D585 a 4~5millisecond dwell ranges from 10~12amps, So if it idle your running 4~5ms then the amp draw on the system will be 120~144 amps. That honestly seems like too much dwell but it really comes down the pressures and spark energy needed to run the engine best. You'll probably be in the 6.5~7.5 Amp spot so that's only 78~90Amps at idle dropping from there.
It's not just dwell, it's duty cycle. If you're running 4ms dwell on a 5ms cycle--80% duty--you may very well see 10A draw, but that's 12,000 RPM on coil per cylinder. The duty cycle and thus time averaged current draw will be lower at lower RPM... So far it sounds like Mark's pretty hesitant about going over 9,000.
At 1,000 RPM idle, the same 4ms dwell is only 6.7% duty.