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 Post subject: Re: mk e's Shop remodel
PostPosted: Tue Feb 13, 2018 8:28 am 
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I need to get the right door rails too. My house garage has a 10ft ceiling but the rails (and opener) are at 7, don't want to repeat that in the shop.

1 truss is pretty much done so I have a 4ft room now ;)


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 Post subject: Re: mk e's Shop remodel
PostPosted: Wed Feb 14, 2018 1:40 am 
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mk e wrote:
I need to get the right door rails too. My house garage has a 10ft ceiling but the rails (and opener) are at 7, don't want to repeat that in the shop.
I got stonewalled when I inquired to my door manufacturer (Clopay) regarding getting the rails up against my 9' garage ceiling. All they could offer was 15" radius rails rather than the regular 12" radius. It didn't lift the rails much more than conventional rails. Maybe other manufacturers have more options.

If you happen to be able to weld (... hee hee), it would be fairly easy cutting and custom-making high lift rails from conventional components. There are a few examples in Google Images.


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 Post subject: Re: mk e's Shop remodel
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Brian A wrote:
I got stonewalled when I inquired to my door manufacturer (Clopay) regarding getting the rails up against my 9' garage ceiling. All they could offer was 15" radius rails rather than the regular 12" radius. It didn't lift the rails much more than conventional rails. Maybe other manufacturers have more options.

If you happen to be able to weld (... hee hee), it would be fairly easy cutting and custom-making high lift rails from conventional components. There are a few examples in Google Images.


We priced clopay doors at Home depot but they don't have anything to actually see so we went to a local dealer who priced installed. I told him what I wanted and he he seemed to say "no problem". I just figured they would order tracks for a 10ft door and since my ceiling is 10'4" it would work out. He matched the homedepot online price but he included installation and removal of the old doors....but home depot at the store was willing to come down about 10% on a 5 door order....but he still haven't completely picked a door. Lana wants me to meet her at another door place Friday I think she said.

I saw there are a few kits available on-line to extend door tracks up...like $150 though :(

Last night I added a bunch more screws the the floor 2x6 supports that I'd forgotten about, then cut out truss #2. It looks much bigger up there now. Probably no wotk tonight...stupid Valentine's day.


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 Post subject: Re: mk e's Shop remodel
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mk e wrote:
...we went to a local dealer who priced installed. I told him what I wanted and he he seemed to say "no problem". I just figured they would order tracks for a 10ft door ...
Hopefully your door vendor was shooting straight on this. It seems like it should be a common straightforward item, but at least Clopay couldn't do it.

The problem is that, in the last few inches of travel as the door moves downward, the top edge of the door must move laterally outward as much as it moves down. This is to press the top of the door against the top of the door frame.
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The standard solution is to change the top rail radius curve to an s-bend and then run straight rail as high as you want to go. This is an example from Google Images that shows it done just with straight rail. I can't weld, so I have to live with low frame rails.


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I was talking to another place today and fro the side of the house garage with a big bean hanging down leaving 9ft and change height he was on about a 20"R top piece as the easiest option and needing to get new pulleys and more track for the others adding about $100. What I can't understand is why they can't just specify when ordering. The companies all make 8, 9, 10ft tall doors and have tracks for them and know how high they sit from the floor.....I guess most people don't care and most openers won't work so its a small market that would just confuse most people.

We've now looked at a LOT of doors. Our problem is that we'd like a wood look door and like to have windows but the frames look just awful on most of the doors and they generally do very little minimize the ugly plastic. All but clolpay make their arched windows by covering the top part of the glass with a plastic insert so you get to look at more plastic....we were leaning toward the arched designs because I love reworking things and that would let me rework all the openings :) A couple manufactures have decent looking stamped arches on solid doors (not clopay) or we could go to square windows but still on many 7ft door the the area of nonplastic covered glass ends up under 12" tall and doesn't look very good.

Pella makes a 3 panel door that gives a lot more room for glass and looks nice but it priced out at $2100....they have sales but it would still be 1800-1900 each.....but they have to be square windows as arched means plastic. Killing the glass saves almost $500 and getting them back closer to in budget.

I had no idea how much energy could be put into thinking about garage doors.......


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You could always go with a more or less standard simple door and do a lot of custom trim work around the door openings to give you a very custom look? You could even build some sort of arched opening? You could also get the door with the plastic decorative thingys and then down the road design and build your own out of whatever you want?

I went with an 8ft high Clopay with the windows up high so I get plenty of light but you have to make an effort to jump up or stand on something to look inside.


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go to google and type in garage door pictures with windows and then click on the images tab and you can see hundreds of styles and colors


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kkrace wrote:
go to google and type in garage door pictures with windows and then click on the images tab and you can see hundreds of styles and colors


Google is the whole problem!

Lana finds stuff then wants to see it in person so we need to find a dealer who has it. The other piece of the problem is the side of the house looks completely different than the garage....its a 20ft tall x about 40ft long wall of stucco and the door just disappears on it. The garage though the doors ARE the wall so what looks great on the garage usually looks silly and lost on the house. I thought about adding a piece of roof above the doors to break up the wall but I'm not so sure that wouldn't look lost and silly too. I don't know...........but I do know I lost most of the day talking about doors when I wanted to be cutting trusses.


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We now refur to them as "the fucking doors", so we're in the anger stage, I think acceptance comes next so we can actually buy doors.

3 trusses complete, #4 at about the 1/2 way point...4 to go. Where I've done the trusses the floor is really solid, noticeably stiffer than the end I haven't done, but I guess that could just be the floor joints touching the sheeting every 12" instead of every 24"...but it feels good and it's staying level so I'm feeling pretty good about it.


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It was a beautiful day yesterday, tee shirt weather. I got #4 finished and #5 about to the 1/2 way point. I'm going to run out at lunch to grab more nails and nail plates so im ready to work when i get home.....i really want to get this finished up and off my list over the weekend but even after the trusses there are a lot of other things like the stairs, a ceiling, stairwell, boards to attach drywall too.....long list.


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